vs terror expert. ZDF: Is Bin Laden dead? [Please Update I and II at the bottom, that specifically the differences between the BBC and ZDF broadcast is received.]
An employee of ZDF me wrote to me (and my readers) to make a broadcast alert. His request to report to it, I get to hereby. Here is the text of the letter:
Hello,
why I would cover letter? Gladly I would draw your attention to this e-mail out we next Tuesday, 9 February, at 23.15 clock, the documentary "The Hunt for Osama bin Laden - Myth and Truth" will show on ZDF.
What is it about? Over ten years does it take to hunting now, already, and still is Osama bin Laden not caught. More and more people suspect that he fled more than a mere failure of his pursuers. Osama bin Laden is a free not much more useful as a prisoner or dead? Perhaps Bin Laden has been dead years and only the CIA keeps him with fake video and audio messages on life support. A glimpse of the movie you already receive with this limited version, which ran in the International Journal ( http://www.zdf.de/ZDFmediathek/content/962332 ). For more information about the program can be found here: http://dokumentation.zdf.de/ZDFde/inhalt/14/0, 1872,8023918,00 html
It would please me if this is your. aroused interest in our documentary has, and you could point your readers to your site on it.
Best regards, thanks in advance and already have a nice weekend
Till Frommann
recommended by Lord From man show is a BBC-ZDF co-production and was in the English Version has already aired. This I will check here in detail because the ZDF broadcast will be different probably not great, except that it is a mile shorter. This suggests that happen, all in the BBC broadcast the issues raised in the ZDF broadcast. was
Relative large differences but in the first issue of co-productions that are dedicated to controversial theories on the subject of 9 / 11 and Al-Qaeda.
Responsible for the BBC's Michael Rudin. For ZDF with Michael Renz, the responsibility, and is based on the BBC, ZDF, that version yet always first was aired. This was ZDF, the ability to respond to any audience reactions and mission still make changes before they are released into the ether. This explains also probably the big difference of the first joint production, which was sent 2007th In the BBC program "9 / 11 Conspiracy Files" critics of the official 9/11-Darstellung were pushed through by means of cinematic techniques in a bad light. One can even say they were downright pathologized. In the ZDF-version "Myth and Reality" efforts were made to a much fairer representation. Whether this higher journalistic standards was due or not is another question. In every case to their purpose - to convince the public of the official version - much better. Because the BBC has broadcast many alienated and on the question proposed, why it was really necessary to apply such techniques to the critics, if they can refute their allegations but simple. A criticism of the BBC will broadcast the
here, a critique of the ZDF broadcast
here.
had in the second show on 9 / 11 in 2008, the BBC then reworked and taken a more neutral way, which involved the presentation of 9/11-Skeptiker. Title was "The Third Tower" and turned to the collapse of World Trade Center 7 on the afternoon of 11 September 2001. For the ZDF version was looking for the title "The Mystery of the third tower" and said in all modesty, now the last riddle of September 11 to have solved.
But really you can have no faith in the efficacy of their message at the ZDF. The show was aired very late on a Sunday evening - and a year later in the "Long Night of the conspiracy," then again, even late at night.
The reason this will certainly be looking for and finding that one, despite all efforts to draw the audience towards official version, it promised little success. Correction. Yes because you can not show on the Collapse of WTC 7 do without this to show it. And at least since the penny drops for most - in free fall. In an article on '
background ' the ZDF broadcast WTC7 was thoroughly taken in view of the manipulative nature of representation apart. I quote from the final paragraph:
Was it the first and only high-rise building, which collapsed due to a fire, the first and only skyscraper in which slammed the new phenomenon of thermal expansion devastating, the first and only skyscraper, the collapse already reported on television, as it stands. And it was probably the first and only building, the emergency response, in-Zenrale Onset of an emergency exit was prompt. It is also the first and only skyscraper, the steel beam holes "like Swiss cheese" and had the first and only skyscraper, the debris was disposed of entirely before the start of the investigation.
Conclusion: ZDF History has not solved the final puzzle, but one more added: submit Why is this public broadcaster, despite the obvious contradictions so one-sided in for the official version stuff?
We come now to the new program that deals with the question of whether bin Laden is still alive. Without wanting to engage in advance, will I am here to make attention to the fundamental difficulty to answer this question. likes to talk so much also for Bin Laden's death, as long as you can not show his body, as long as one can not clearly prove his death. Without a body you can still claim in 50 years that he is alive. On the other hand, the absence of his body is not the presence of a living proof. If you look at this issue is dedicated, it would have to first develop a standard that can be as often for one or the other direction as probative and whether there is also evidence for the death under the presence of the corpse, for example, by witness testimony. The BBC's effort and not needing to establish such a standard, or even to address a problem. A methodological weakness, which hardly conveys the view that will be displayed in the show really clarifying responses (to be). Instead, they can imagine that we have now to do so again with a manipulative work in which the conclusion was clear at the beginning of the investigation.
Even the first part provides the first evidence for the suggestion, that the audience will be led on the home straight. And the goal is the statement that Bin Laden lives, enjoys good health and we should all have a great fear of him.
The entry seems very critical. Questions are asked, like: "Why could find Bin Laden never, so far," "Why were opportunities to kill him left out?", "Why he has in his last video, a black beard?".
We continue then with the Bush administration at that time quite unpleasant topic: Osama bin Laden escape from Tora Bora mountains of Afghanistan after the attack the U.S. and its allies in Afghanistan. Although surrounded by Afghan units and U.S. military Special Forces and Delta, could Bin Laden fled to Pakistan. Newsweek reported at the time:
The CIA Field Commander of the "Jawbreaker" team at Tora Bora, Gary Berntsen, says he and other U.S. commanders knew that bin Laden among the hundreds of fleeing Al-Qaeda and Taliban members is. Berntsen said he definitive information [intelligence] had about the fact that Bin Laden in Tora Bora was staying - intelligence agents had tracked him down - and could be taken. "He was there," Berntsen said to NEWSWEEK .(...)
In his book named "Jawbreaker" decorated CIA officer criticizes Donald Rumsfeld's Defense, the CIA and Special Forces teams Pentagon not enough support in the last hours [the battle] of Tora Bora, where to lift, "said Berntsen's lawyer, Roy Krieger. (...) This supports other reports, including that of military author Sean Naylor, the Tora Bora, known as a "strategic disaster" because the Pentagon had refused to set up a cordon of conventional forces to the escape of Al- Qaeda and Taliban members to interrupt. (Source )
BBC to Dalton Fury, a member of Delta Force interviewed. He confirmed that they had tracked bin Laden and knew that he was among the besieged Al-Qaeda fighters. But to attack questions of Delta Forces, Bin Laden, have been dismissed. Fury described this as "extremely unusual". Then, the Delta Forces were withdrawn. Reason: were expected by their departure that bin Laden felt emboldened, out of hiding to come out. As "very naive" called Fury that approach. Not naive, but clearly misleading, the representation of the BBC. Because in addition to "naive" decisions of the U.S. leadership have also been identified in the show two main culprits: two Afghan warlords. This had only cashed and used less than men agreed. In addition, the fighters would have had too much free time and this was also precisely Ramadan. We are therefore wants pennant, that the United States in have left the hunt for their enemy number 1 on a number of Afghan warlords, which it considered that one can not rely on them. Well, who believes it. wants us to believe that any case Michael Scheuer, former CIA agent from 1996-99 and head of the "Alec Station" in New York. The Alec Station was established as a central coordination point between the FBI, CIA and other services in the hunt for Bin Laden and Al Qaeda.
Michael Scheuer in the program whole family only "Mike", is always happy as a key witness to the official version, after the lies of an Islamist conspiracy behind 9 / 11 and since then carries out a global war against Western civilization used. After scouring the time had said several times critical of the policies of the Bush administration.
him to the suspicion and make it more credible. But if Scheuer claimed responsibility for bin Laden escape burden on the shoulders of two warlords, then he is wrong. After all, we can learn through the program so that it was the decision of the U.S. leadership, bin Laden and al-Qaida fighters not to attack and to withdraw U.S. troops. And this was not at that time, as is claimed, the BBC program, arguing that they wanted to lure out bin Laden by the deduction. The military leadership has all the information on bin Laden's presence just simply denied:
"We still do not know whether bin Laden was in Tora Bora in December 2001," said [former CentCom Commander] General Tommy Franks. "Mr. Bin Laden was never within our grasp." (Source
)
Rumsfeld maintains that he spoke of "no evidence" would know that bin Laden "at the time was in Tora Bora, or has left Tora Bora at the time." (Source )
The reason for the denial is obvious: If we had Bin Laden and his fighters as soon caught or killed, how could you then to justify his continuing occupation of the geopolitically important Afghanistan?
If you wanted to keep the specter of Al Qaeda might live? Several hundred Al-Qaeda fighters can the occupying power the United States hardly affect, but they can be successfully used this to justify their own occupation. It was reminiscent of Iraq where the U.S. has also tried repeatedly to Al Qaeda, when it came to his own crimes - such as the attack on the
besieged city of Fallujah in April 2004 with white phosphorus, depleted uranium bombs and cluster bombs to . justify Too bad that came out that the Pentagon, one or other explanation of the Iraqi Al-Qaeda leader Al-Zarqawi, was justified by the alleged presence in Fallujah, the attack, the same
has written himself. (To Iraq and use of false flag terror, see also my entries here
and
here ).
would also fit into this concept that we have hundreds of Al-Qaida and Taliban fighters "accidentally" flown out of the encircled Kunduz to Pakistan.
's The Times reported :
The United States secretly approved rescue flights by Pakistan, escaped from the Taliban leaders and al-Qaida fighters from the besieged northern Afghan city of Kunduz before the city was taken , was today reported the New Yorker magazine.
U.S. intelligence officials and military officers said that the Bush administration has approved the flights and the U.S. Central Command ordered to set up a special air corridor to ensure safe evacuation of Pakistani soldiers and intelligence people who by the victories of the Northern Alliance were stuck.
What was intended as a limited evacuation came, apparently out of control. As an unintended consequence, it managed an unknown number of Taliban and al-Qaida fighters to join the exodus, the magazine reported.
The manipulative approach in the first section of the two Bush quotes, you can integrates the BBC in the post. Besides the "Dead or alive" quote is cited Bush's statement that Bin Laden should not even think he could hide, or escape.
This is the central thesis of this segment are supported: The U.S. government wanted to rope in Bin Laden unconditionally and it has made great efforts, such as making Tora Bora covered with bombs. But to escape their own incompetence, particularly in the selection of alliance partners on the ground that it had allowed bin Laden.
But that the Afghanistan campaign was really about Osama Bin Laden, as it wants to make us believe the BBC is more than doubtful, considering the statements made by George Bush during a press conference in mid March 2002. He did not know where Bin Laden is, that he would not spend too much time and he really was not worried about what Bin Laden regards. Here is the excerpt:
Consequently, Bush was then in 2005 include the above-mentioned Alec Station. Even the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Richard Myers, might have been quoted: "The
(main) aim was never to get Bin Laden .
would
In this context, of course, the BBC story French elite fighters can take up. Their snipers are to Bin Laden
two have been times in the visor . But from the United States was not allowed to Firefox. Regardless of the veracity of this story, in view of the statement that Bush gave at the press conference in March 2002 from the already very bold that it related to the history of French sniper on the assumption that his administration on the hunt Bin Laden had moved away, as "urban myth" referred to.
In the second part representatives of the argument is heard, that bin Laden is dead. The BBC spokeswoman said that there has been since December 2001, no verifiable sighting of Bin Laden. Ex-CIA agent Robert Baer supports this hypothesis. Baer worked for 22 years for "the company" and is considered an expert in his field, which was loud
Wikipedia the CIA that:
His task was the infiltration of organizations such as Hezbollah and Al Qaeda. Baer speaks his native language fluent Arabic, Persian, French and German.
Baer comes by his remarks Ex-colleagues to the conclusion that bin Laden actually is already dead. As the main representative of the Bin-Laden-is-dead thesis is presented
David Ray Griffin . This article, written several books, who question the official 9/11-Version. Including the book "Osama Bin Laden - Dead or Alive", which is soon to appear in German in
Peace Press.
The BBC is now trying to Griffin's arguments in the course of the program to refute. I will address in the appropriate places on it.
In the third segment are doubts about the authenticity single Bin Laden video expressed. Sun doubted David Ray Griffin, that it is the famous "Confession Tape" to the real Bin Laden. This appears in the video too fat, he also writes with his right hand, though he is left-handed. In support of the death-Griffin These results also indicate that bin Laden in 2001 was suffering from a kidney disease and dialysis required. Griffin has (in part II) point to an on Dec 26, 2001, Bin Laden video in which it appears weakened.
Weakened? Osama Bin Laden in 2001
Even Robert Baer is not convinced of the authenticity of the video, believe however, that Al-Qaeda, the videos themselves falsify. He notes that Bin Laden is in his last video in September 2009 appear always to Still, when his voice begins to speak of current events. Baer believes that this old sound and video recordings were edited together, as indeed
the computer specialist, Neal Krawetz.
Osama Bin Laden in 2004
For the thesis of the authenticity of the video is made Michael a barn. He pointed out that the videos of CIA and other intelligence agencies have confirmed their authenticity. However, these are precisely even suspected of authors (some of) these Videos to be. Any court would be sufficient but the protestation of innocence of an accused selfsameness as evidence. Scheuer wants to impress the audience by enumerating how much effort the U.S. authorities have yet operated in the analysis of the videos. While it looks like Bin Laden sneaking through mountainous terrain, Scheuer reported that even geologists have been hired to analyze plants and stones in the background image to thereby provide information about possible bin Laden's whereabouts can. A downright misleading argument, which like the BBC backed with appropriate film clips. For the illustrated walking tour Bin Laden took place before 9 / 11. After 9 / 11 no bin Laden video was released, seen in the stones, which one could analyze. Scheuer story time anecdote can therefore not at all help to clarify the question of whether bin Laden is still alive. But it can and should help to suggest to viewers that the videos are authentic and Bin Laden must therefore be alive. Nevertheless, in this part of the BBC is no reproach to make. Representatives for the hypothesis that the videos are (for various reasons) are not genuine, substantial chance to speak.
The theory of bin Laden's death is also based on the number of reports that one of Bin Laden Suffers renal failure and requires regular medical intensive care. As representatives of the antithesis of the alleged Bin Laden's serious illness can BBC Abdel Bari Atwan, editor of "Al-Quds Al Arabi" newspaper, to speak. This interviewed bin Laden in November 1996 and spent three days in his hideout in Afghanistan.
Osama Bin Laden in 1996
According Atwan, who will dance in Trafalgar Square in London
joy if Iranian missile strike on Israeli soil, the Bin Laden at that time enjoyed excellent health. The problem with his argument is the temporal component. For he met with Bin Laden Years before the first reports surfaced about his kidney disease.
Atwan statement regarding Bin Laden's health during their meeting in 1996 refers to a "mild diabetes
," Atwan had heard of that plage bin Laden. Of the renal disease, however, was the first time in 1999 in the book "The New Jackals
" the speech. She was allegedly caused by one of the secret services in November 1998 to Bin Laden carried out poison attack. For the first time in 2000 reported that Bin Laden needs dialysis treatment.
The fourth section, the cooperation between bin Laden and the CIA during the fight against the Soviet occupiers in Afghanistan from the late 1970s addressed. Cooperation? No way, says Michael Scheuer. There is no document in the CIA that would certify cooperation. Well then. Secret hot so just for fun Sun So please believe the man at face value. A collaboration between the "Arab Mujahedin," the CIA and Pakistani ISI intelligence in the fight against the Soviet Union in Afghanistan has never existed. Please remember everything that dozens and dozens of experts
talkers contributed to this cooperation in recent decades been said and written. For Michael Scheuer added to a document found in the CIA. And although he is unlikely to be empowered examine any documents about secret CIA operations, please do feel it. And please believe that any covert operation is documented extensively. And please do feel also that documents can never disappear. What happened to the CIA documents, which were stored in WTC 7
? But that's another story ...
never had anything to do with each other:
L: Z. Brzezinski, National Security Advisor to the U.S. President. R: Bin Laden
Scheuer explains that one alone between May 1998 and May 1999, ten had opportunities to catch Bin Laden or to liquidate. At the last moment we had always shied away. Examples scouring out a situation from December 1998 in Kandahar. Man Bin Laden had located in a building, even the exact area was known. But we decided, better not to shoot. After 300 meters there was a mosque. And they feared an uprising in the Muslim world, Scheuer, a splitter should rocket "scrape" the mosque. Let's talk here of the same army that missiles from hundreds of miles away just meters to the finish well? And how bad it must be ordered by snipers to the training, when 300 feet all around better not stand in the way?
Scheuer's statement is the latest then grotesquely as he gives to the trial, his implausible story credibility, explains the high moral values, the U.S. global power has now times and that their leaders more to worry about what is foreign to them thinks that the lives of to protect Americans.
It had been on the show but before that still reports of attacks on targets in Sudan and Afghanistan. The then U.S. President William Clinton did this in August 1998 to bomb targets in revenge for the terrorist attacks on U.S. embassies in Africa. And we had so many moral scruples, that the most important drug Sudan factory was flattened. As a result of this action died
estimated by the then German ambassador to Sudan, tens of thousands people.
And even though Sudan offered the United States from 1995 to extradite bin Laden to them. But against was present in the United States, no warrant, so they refused the offer. Only in December 1998, the United States an international arrest warrant against Bin Laden. So four months after being battered Sudan medical care dramatically. . So much for the morale of U.S. governments in the fight against terror
But strictly speaking, Scheuer's statement is essentially so, one would get Bin Laden often can, but you would not. Ironically, I think the arguments of counsel for the official version the strongest in the show on the argument that in the "War on Terror" is something fishy. I'm curious sometimes whether these ZDF scouring inside-Part reserves.
Since in this segment also briefly attacks in Bali in 2002 are mentioned, is still the documentary "Fool Me Twice
" recommended. This proves that the attacks were staged or held to be responsible terror cell had long infiltrated the secret service.
the end of the fourth segment is about
Benazir Bhutto in a television interview, testimony given that Bin Laden is already dead. I agree with the conclusion of the BBC, that it is a slip of the tongue acted. She is probably confused with Omar Saeed Sheikh bin Laden. About this double agent, I reported here already
. There are few figures in his "career" the hypocrisy and absurdity of the "War on Terror" would show better.
The fifth section takes a closer look at the question of whether it is the Bin Laden videos are counterfeits. Andy Laws specialist comes in his video-analysis concluded that in all three videos ("Confession Tape, Bin Laden in 2004 and 2007) for the real Bin Laden is. I disagree to. In the case of the "Confession Tape" speaks of the facial analysis also for the authenticity that other Al Qaeda members, such as Khaled al-Harbi, to identify in the video are. The view expressed by Griffin observation that bin Laden writes with the right could have a secular reason. Namely, that he had injured his left hand. In addition, Bin Laden has used in the past, the right hand for writing, as in this picture:
Writes to right: Osama Bin Laden
only, showing the video? Certainly not that he still lives. But it would not even Bin Laden's death prove, even if it was faked. It shows the way, not that bin Laden for 9 / 11 is responsible. For his alleged confession, according to research based
of the news magazine 'Monitor' on false translations. In the Pentagon we were taught to translate the relevant passages extremely advantageous for the desired purposes. The Pentagon wanted to play this video, the dilemma that Bin Laden had to date (December 2001) never known and never after 11 September to 9 / 11. It thus served to justify the war in Afghanistan after the event and can therefore be taken safely as war propaganda. And because criticism and doubts about the authenticity of the video appeared, warned George Bush and all heretics
to skeptics, doubting his leave.
For what purpose the video was ever made? According to the BBC "think" that was filmed for private use. But why was it in spite of the explosive content simply left in a house in Jalalabad, where it claims to have found the U.S. Army? Where exactly it was found by whom, is still unknown. Why is it never looked into the camera? Is this about a hidden recording as part of a sting operation? Or has this simulated an agent to film for private use and then send the U.S. services? This would of course, a very bad image on the U.S. terrorist hunters take when even before the invasion of Afghanistan had the opportunity to take Bin Laden high. But this is all speculation. No speculation is the fact that bin Laden's whimsy, a Kalashnikov to post around him when he takes a bead, a camera, time out have a celebration.
Finds the Camera: Osama Bin Laden are in the "Confession Tape"
According to the BBC, the video and audio messages, the most important evidence of Bin Laden's vitality. But the two later videos are not conclusive, even if the man pictured is Bin Laden. For apart from the question of why Bin Laden's beard in the recording of the 2007 is black, and even apart from the question of why at the mention of current events always froze the image, the question remains whether such videos as fake can be.
Dyed: Osama bin Laden in 2007
Andy Laws said yes, but no. Technically possible, but U.S. intelligence agencies and the military would not have the capacity to carry out this and would need support from the private sector. And it could not "quietly" done. Too many People were involved, too many who knew that would come out ....
This argument can not refute because it is not. But maybe there is one or the other spectators come out and believes that the manipulation of a video requires a comprehensive, large-scale conspiracy.
how difficult it is to manipulate Bin Laden video, showing this review:
"Corruption is impossible"
And the audio-tapes, so many allusions to current events and therefore so would prove that bin Laden is still alive, were be forged much easier than the videos. As is usual in the Swiss IDIAP Research Institute on its own analysis concludes that it is published in the November 2002 Bin Laden Audio Tape a Fake
. This one did, however, from a small political earthquake, after all, the Pentagon came to quite different results. And so it was decided at IDIAP,
reject all other requests after an investigation of bin Laden recordings. The matter had become too hot.
While Hank Crumpton, the U.S. ambassador in Afghanistan that covered there too long for the CIA anti-terrorist operations, led the fake theory as "ridiculous", "absurd" and "offensive" means to us is the BBC maximum leniency before the counter-thesis: Ben Venzke, of the "independent research company"
IntelCenter . He had "absolute confidence" in the authenticity of the bin Laden tapes. And I have absolute confidence that Mr. Venzke
from sales of these videos can live well. How could he say something else, as he is inevitably biased? It should be consulted about the same as if you were the statements of representatives of the tobacco industry to scale the answer makes the question of whether smoking is really unhealthy.
The accusation is not so much to Venzke, because who says only what he is paid. Rather, the complaint addressed to the address of the BBC, when the Pentagon near IntelCenter as "independent" and demand not even critically Mr. Venzke is, where does come from such as the videos, the IntelCenter sells - and journalists thus sometimes sources could check. Or why IntelCenter al-Qaeda will save costs and trouble by it draws such as translations and subtitles for Al-Qaeda videos and this aufpeppelt sometimes acoustically and graphically. In Germany, this would support a terrorist organization and therefore punishable according to § 129a. When you are in Germany to Al-Qaeda videos and then messing around on line, one has a trial on the cheek, as the case of Ibrahim R.
proves. Mr. Venzke, you better not come to Germany, one way or another prosecutor might not be busy!
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But the BBC can not only with former CIA members and representatives of dubious companies to the theory of bin Laden to confirm vitality. In the broadcast and the journalist Hamid Mir is presented. This met Bin Laden in 1997, 1999 and even after 9 / 11 - in November 2001. He said bin Laden directly to the alleged kidney disease. This said no, and stuffed to prove various foods in the mouth. Now, even bin Laden could be seen on this issue quite as biased. For the display of its own weakness, he could certainly have no interest. On the contrary, in the interview
he makes on thick trousers and even claims to have nuclear weapons.
Hamid Mir in an interview with Bin Laden November 2001
Two things still to do so. On the one hand. How could Hamid Mir create what creates the world of the secret services do not locate namely Bin Laden after 9 / 11? Are we to seriously believe that no one came in view of the meeting between him and Bin Laden in the U.S. intelligence agencies on the idea to shadow it to be as to get at Bin Laden? And why is Bin Laden looks just a journalist as a conversation partner, which, owing to the history of the highest probability is that it be monitored?
Hamid Mir in an interview with Bin Laden in 1997
And secondly, the content of the interview itself, where Bin Laden is committed not to 9 / 11, but responds when asked how he knew then, that it is the bombers to Muslims is that the Americans had yet published a list of suspects. Yes look here! When one of his statement regarding his kidney disease gives credibility, then why not this part?
And how strange it is that Bin Laden two weeks ago failed to stop the bomber
Christmas will have known, but not on such an occasion, as she offered me to him, the mother all known attacks?
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But even if bin Laden's statement is true concerning his ill health, we know only that he had no kidney disease in late 2001. This does not prove that he is nine years later, still alive. Indeed, one would have to find sober that neither thesis nor antithesis to bin Laden's kidney disease can be clearly demonstrated.
But BBC viewers out here suggestively in one direction. Thus, said that things are said Bin Laden since 1996, this kidney disease. And in 1996, met with him and yes Atwan found him to be healthy. But, as already mentioned above, there were no reports of 1996, bin Laden's kidney disease. Atwan statement is therefore meaningless in this context. Wrong, the depiction of the BBC that it was only to allegations of Pakistani intelligence. Even Western intelligence agencies have repeatedly been cited in media reports when it comes to Bin Laden's kidney disease was. Sun
also in the very first in which a dialysis is discussed.
;
The Story of Bin Laden's kidney problems BBC wants to refute not only as proof of its vitality, but also and perhaps above all, the story to the realm of myth to banish, after which the Bin Laden in July 2001, resided in a hospital in Dubai and there met with the local representatives of the CIA
.
CIA, hospital management and bin Laden deny this. However, what they should do different? Nevertheless, those who are in the street 'who claim that such a meeting had taken place. was circulated the story of the French newspaper Le Figaro and Radio France International (RFI).
Evidence about in the form of non-anonymous witnesses in any case was never provided. However, the story about bin Laden's hospital stay from the beginning was not supported with details - like the name of the attending Surgeons and the CIA - which suggests that nobody here has just a little time just sucked out of your fingers to make headlines. Of course, it could also be targeted scattered misinformation act that would harm the U.S. government, opposing such a secret. "Le Figaro and RFI were in any event in its presentation.
a clear evidence of this meeting or in general for Bin Laden's kidney disease, there is not, however. This of course increases the likelihood that he might still be alive.
In last part of the BBC runs on top form in terms of disinformation. At first you deal with the claim that bin Laden was treated in the night before 9 / 11 in a Pakistani hospital. This claim is based on a CBS report
. CBS is based on statements by officials of the hospital, who wished to remain anonymous. The claim is thus effectively on shaky ground.
Bin Laden has been treated here? The hospital in Rawalpind / Pakistan
Then comes again Robert Baer say. He asserts that there is no conspiracy by the U.S. government on Bin Laden. "Incompetence" Instead, the correct description would be to explain why the secret of his could not get hold of. Baer did not always like that. In 2006, he said in an interview to the question whether it is in 9 / 11 could be a inside job, that this was possible because the evidence would be a sign
. Where is his change of heart?
Next, the BBC takes a section of an Al-Qaeda video in 2009, which was "thoroughly investigated," said the spokeswoman. And according to "some" ["some have suggested"] if they were here to Bin Laden. The "some" is the way to IntelCenter, which in a press statement, the Video's attention and brought the theory into circulation, it could be, this is bin Laden. While IntelCenter suspected only
said 'The Long War Journal' due to a "trusted source", it concluded that the man was indeed Bin Laden. The 'Long War Journal' is a group of former U.S. military members and other terrorism experts, with good contacts in the inner circles of power in Washington.
The BBC does this claim stand just like that, although it is very clear that it may not have to be Bin Laden, as can be seen from the Bartfäbung is. Because it is dark inside and the outside light, just the opposite, then, like beard coloring as we know it from Bin Laden.
Osama Bin Laden Not in 2009
This is clearly a manipulative suggestion by the BBC. To justify the view of Bin Laden alive, the BBC leads to statements by journalists, which Al-Qaeda commanders had assured in interviews that Bin Laden is still alive. For an explanation of why Al-Qaeda is apparently unable to produce proof of a life time, but apparently these journalists have not even asked. And verified the statements are not natural.
Next, then type the basement out into the field, also a Ex-CIA agent. He explains why despite Gunock has 25 million U.S. dollar reward no Bin Laden. The Pashtun code of honor prohibits the Taliban and the Pashtuns in general, extradite Bin Laden, and dealing with non-Muslims. That would be a terrible sin. That bin Laden is dead, was a ridiculous conspiracy theory. And now the word has fallen. In the last segment is the word "conspiracy theory" often and by now, the intention behind the BBC "documentary" clearly. Who the official line in the "War on Terror" doubts, is a conspiracy theorist, and thus not labeled to be taken seriously.
But actually ridiculous are the observations of Mr Keller. Although it is one of the main principles of the Pashtuns, to grant a guest protection, but in the case of Bin Laden, the Taliban were willing to
one exception. The Taliban offered to extradite the U.S., if they did
evidence submitted his 9/11-Täterschaft. In this case, the U.S. must have this evidence, at least if you believe the former British Prime Minister Tony Blair. This was shown by the
"absolutely incontrovertible evidence" convinced and therefore supported the attack on Afghanistan.
But just as it did in the case of Sudan years ago, can a U.S. administration so Offer can not provide. Arrest warrant or not. So we marched into Afghanistan. In order to get Bin Laden. If he had been before to get their hands, one might indeed not invade
need to do to get him. And the invasion was already
long before 9 / 11 deal. So was planned not to get him before 9 / 11. Otherwise you would not even have to invade to get him. And I suppose this proves that there during the invasion of Afghanistan only purpose was to get Bin Laden. For if the BBC says, "it began as a war to catch Bin Laden", then was the same way. Everything else is ridiculous conspiracy theories.
Next in the consignment. Do not worry, we are almost done. Bin Laden is a clever little fellow, for he do not use modern means of communication and is therefore difficult to detect, the spokeswoman said. That may be today, he still lives, in fact, be the case.
But if Atwan says that Bin Laden has told him in the interview in 1996 that he used any means of communication because it can "to listen", then not quite agree. For Bin Laden used to communicate the time until at least August 1998, a far from inconspicuous
satellite phone . Which was tapped by the way "of them", that the U.S. intelligence agencies. Once again the audience will be led astray.
The intention of Atwan statement turns into its opposite. Instead of explaining why not Bin Laden after 9 / 11 was found and is concentrated but with the intercepted satellite phone rather to the question, why has not it fixed before the 9 / 11.
Then comes again Hamid Mir to say. He thinks these conspiracy theories about Bin Laden's death only use Al-Qaeda. At the same time in the show but also the contrary. The BBC is now a fact allegation that bin Laden is still alive - anything else is even a conspiracy theory - is precisely proof of his triumph over the West, which, despite his apparatus has failed to promote him to the afterlife. This triumph can only enjoy but hard when everyone thinks they are already there.
Almost finally brings BBC then again Hamid Gul. He is convinced that bin Laden is alive. And as the Pakistani secret service man, he has to know. What most BBC-gazers do not know well: He also believes
that September 11 was an inside job. As I said, he has to know.
War else? Ah yes, the end of the broadcast quoted nor even George Bush. He speaks of the holes in the mountains where al-Qaida hide-looking, but can not find is. For one, they'll smoke out. Holes in mountains? That sounded ever in a different way of seeing how this little propaganda film:
"there are many of those"
If you wonder why the BBC do not even make a program in which about all the lies in the "War on Terror", such as the high-tech fortresses in Tora Bora is solved, then please do not wait for an answer. The days seem past when you have sent to the BBC in terms of terrorism or critical articles. The last time in 2004 with the truly remarkable three-part "
Power of Nightmares " which proves that it is Al-Qaeda is essentially a fake, staged a brand, which it uses when it halt its own political interests. Today is serious research, critical distance from government statements and investigative Journalismsus contaminated as a general conspiracy theory. And career advancement in any case.
Conclusion: The BBC has although in fact some of those arguments refuted or rebutted, who believe that bin Laden is dead. Nevertheless, one would have of the facts in her need to get the position that there is no clear evidence in one or the other Direction is. Instead, in the end sided with the Bin Laden lives thesis beaten and defamed the representatives of the antithesis as a conspiracy theorist.
I personally tend to the theory that Bin Laden is already dead. Swear I would not. In addition to reports of kidney disease or funerals, it is primarily a thought process that leads me to assume his death. For over eight years, there is no definitive proof of life. In this case this would be provided simply by Bin Laden, for example, before a camera with a current newspaper or sets shows a running background TV, the latest news.
If he has an interest in that all the world believes he is already dead? If so, then why the many audio tapes? And if we can see from this that Bin Laden is not only about God and the world, but also on climate change as recently
expresses so begs the question why a man does not occur with such a sense of mission before the camera?
After the publication of his last video in September 2007, he was pulled in many fakes his leg. Many could Mr-Black-Beard's take on Noam Chomsky and Co. designs not serious, nor as a threat. That his authority is undermined by a lack of evidence of life more and more, because he can not really have an interest. But perhaps the question is whether he live, not so important. More important still is the question of whether Al Qaeda actually in the form of a globally active, highly organized terrorist group, with branches in a dozen countries, even exists - or whether it is a controlled by the secret network, essentially, for which Islamic feisty their own political interests used.
In contrast to the first program in this series, you have the propaganda in the now refined this third piece of work. In the presentation we will not as crude and clumsy against the supporters of such "conspiracy theories", but they can (apparently) balanced to speak. You can discredit the representatives of such theories and indirectly by the followers of the official version will be credited. This is done by people that you are looking for witnesses as the official version, which themselves are critical of many things during the "War on Terror" to happen. Whether Michael Scheuer, Dalton Fury and Robert Baer, they all have in the mission of their criticism of this or that expressed. They seem thus particularly credible when they are finally agreed that doubts about the official story, beyond the explanatory model "incompetence", is nothing but conspiracy theories are implausible. And this is one in the final scene, then the principal challenger to the official legend, David Ray Griffin, alone on the beach are. "Despite all the evidence" as it is, he is the great sea flood (of evidence) alone and left over. Figurative meaning it does not get any. Believe me, when they shot the scene, you already knew what for. Because the final is already clear at the beginning. At least when the BBC and ZDF are once again devote 9/11- "conspiracy theories".
The bin Laden broadcast by the BBC clearly has learned a ZDF, in terms of efficiency of representation. Propaganda works the sooner, the better the applied purpose and intention of the work remain hidden and the representation appear neutral. In this sense, Michael Rudin (BBC) and Michael Renz (ZDF) only congratulate. Mission accomplished - the Ministry of Truth is proud of you!
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ran Yesterday, at a late hour the ZDF version. On the whole, it corresponds to in the essay the BBC version. However, there are differences, such as new interviewees and a non-broadcast on the BBC mentioned facts. This is the in the years 1999 and 2000 raised by the Taliban offer to extradite Osama Bin Laden. About the negotiators Kabir Mohabbat and Elmar Brok is finally organized in November 2000 in Frankfurt am Main, a meeting between representatives of the U.S., the EU and the Taliban. The Taliban offered to hand over Bin Laden to the International Court in The Hague. The American side had accepted the offer. But then nothing happened. The end of 2000 came to power, George W. Bush has shown no interest in bin Laden. The U.S. denied the operation.
is therefore also in the ZDF program fell from Art Cellar argument advanced, Bin Laden would not be betrayed, despite the high reward, because it prohibits the Pashtun code of honor that he brought to. Since the Taliban, both before and after 9 / 11 offered to extradite Bin Laden, This argument is refuted.
The testimony of Colonel Imam, who led the Pakistani intelligence agency ISI for ten years training camp, was located not in the BBC version. Colonel Imam, whose former pupils, according to ZDF broadcast today often become high-ranking Taliban or Al Qaeda fighters, confirmed the claim that Bin Laden at that time had a serious kidney disease. According to Imam Bin Laden is long dead
comment also advocate the antithesis in the YouTube version, which did not appear in the BBC broadcast. For example, the former comrade-Bin Laden, Noman Benotman. In fact, Benotman member of the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group (LIFG) was that also in the fight against the Soviet Union in Afghanistan. Allegedly gave Benotman Bin Laden in 2000, said at a "strategy meeting" the opinion. "We set set an unmistakable plea to Bin Laden, his campaign against the U.S."
2007 Benotman asked in an open letter to Al-Qaeda Deputy Al-Zawahiri, renounce violence. Praiseworthy it is that Benotman his energies now used to people from the path of terror to bring, it can still do little to answer the question of whether bin Laden is still alive. His objection: Al-Qaida could have it's highest death "One to two weeks" to keep secret. Truly convincing is not. Not very convincing are the observations by Guido Steinberg, the only exclusive to the ZDF broadcast to speak.
Guido Steinberg's works were ever on this blog. And although in the article "
Ilam Jihad Union - Background to a media construct . Steinberg worked for the think tank Stiftung Wissenschaft und Politik ". The "advisory institute of the Federal Government" was due to a recent arson attack
the focus of the media.
Within the foundation Steinberg wrote the script
"
A Turkish al-Qaeda ". source criticism was already in the article to the IJU. I want to comment only briefly on a situation that shows that Mr. Steinberg is one of those who bend the things and manipulate.
A quote from the publication of Jihad Union:
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This he tried to refute by pointing out that increased from September 2007, the IJU statements and Videos on the Web site sehadetvakti "published Steinberg in his work again and again approaching it as a source. But it was these publications on the website ominous, the Constitution guards have caused to assume that it is the IJU an Internet phenomena. I would not run further, as the IJU
here many times was the theme. But if Steinberg writes, the website posted on the IJU is, since November 2006 have been online, it is misleading. Because the site was the first time in April 2007, online, as can be seen on the 'Web archive
is. The date is so important because the first (pronounced by the CIA)
warnings about the IJU also originate from April 2007. Could it be particularly
regarding to all the
other information regarding a
intelligence production in the case of IJU that we have here just quickly designed a website to substantiate the threat, and at least point to something can be that the existence of a Jihad Union suggestive?
we come to Steinberg's TV show made statements. Why Bin Laden has produced in recent years as few videos, but the more sound recordings, this is provided by Steinberg stated: Bin Laden do by the production of "vulnerable", because the effort was too great, would involve too many people and the risk too large, that the intelligence would see something.
This explanation may be convincing in any way. First, what will it be expensive to sit before a video camera? This is needed in an emergency not even a second helper. Secondly, why should be a video recording complex than a sound recording? Whether video or audio, you position the device to the right place and press on "Record". That's it! As for falsifiability, because there really is a difference. Videos can be forged more difficult than sound recordings, what so many think is the reason why it since 9 / 11 almost only sound recordings. There he Third, and requires a video recording provides a higher logistical costs as the daily food supply, as were the organization of secure accommodation, etc.
also Steinberg's argument that the videos not for ideological reasons, fake, is not persuasive. Although he may well have right that people of Western intelligence agencies do not have the ideological education to produce an authentic-looking bin Laden. But at the 2004 and 2007 published videos is precisely the fact remarkable that it does not look authentic. Bin Laden takes no references to God and the prophets, but also deals with quite unusual topics. The messages of these movies sound exactly like they were written by someone with a secular background.
Also the final's TV show is different from that of the BBC. At ZDF one is neutral. While the representatives of the Bin Laden lives-thesis the last word, the term "conspiracy theory" falls a few times. Nevertheless, one renounces suggestive scenes, such as David Ray Griffin, as he stands alone on the beach and despite the sea of evidence. With regard to the first two BBC-ZDF co-production, this was the most balanced view.
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UPDATE II
The ratios for ZDF relatively balanced account - both sides have their say - Spiegel Online's terror experts Musharbash Yassin is a thorn in the eye.
excerpt:
course it is not wrong to make the experience as a commentator in off the devil's advocate. This tactic helps prevent the spectators on zapping away. One can such a dramatic corset but overuse. In the end, it all sounds like a conspiracy theory.
Thus, the film explains impressive, why is the U.S. in late 2001 failed to take bin Laden in the mountains of Tora Bora, although it was almost in sight. It was because of a wrong decision in Washington, has noted how even now the U.S. Senate. Afghan allies should make the al-Qaida leader arrested at that time, U.S. special forces were ordered back, not granted requested reinforcements. Likewise, managed the review of experiments, the Saudi Arabian 1998-1999 is out of the way and move the tracing of the experiments, the Taliban for his extradition.
But why lock the authors of these historical facts with issues such as: "Or will you find him, perhaps not at all?".
Yes, why lock it because only with such an absurd question? Could it be that soldiers experienced a "bad decision" as in the case Tota Bora not comes under? Who was originally considered for the "wrong decision" to account? And why the military leadership denied that Bin Laden was ever in Tota Bora? If Musharbash of "historical facts" speak, caution is advised, because he has a knack for them on its head. move to real experiments, the Taliban to extradition, it never was! It was the Taliban, which - as the Sudan years ago - offered the U.S. a shipment - even after 9 / 11. The U.S. government has never mentioned this. She had dozens of occasions, Osama Bin Laden - dead or alive - to get their hands on. Alone, she would not. If such cases to the public, then serve cheap excuses (such as a mosque 300 meters away), to deceive them. Excuses that you can not believe, unless one is paid to defend this belief. It continues:
does not address the in conspiracy alarm overriding question, why should just a part of the publications of al-Qaeda's propaganda department to be forged, the Bin Laden video that is, the other publications but not - for instance those has built in which al-Qaeda years after 9 / 11 farewell videos of the bombers? And what if the TV station al-Jazeera, in which part of Bin Laden's messages will be delivered in envelopes, part of the conspiracy would that be?
Vonu: Ahmed al-Haznawi, Saeed al-Ghamdi, Abdul Aziz Alomari, Wail al-Shehri, Hamza al-Ghamdi
Who says that the other videos are not from the same counterfeiting plant could come from? The "farewell videos" of the bombers contained no confession to 9 / 11. This impression is through the graphical underlay (burning Pentagon, etc.) and produced by the commentator. But the testimony of the alleged hijackers in the videos shown no indication on attacks in the form of 9 / 11. There are confessions of hatred for the U.S. and the Islamic Jihad, no doubt, but this would mean that in the context of the jihadist struggle in Chechnya and Bosnia and Kosovo have been taken. After all, is on show in the videos "muscle hijackers" involved in these battles. And it's not uncommon to be made in such a setting such recordings, so that they can use in the case of the case (in combat) for martyrdom videos. Even if we assume that the recordings of the alleged hijackers were not forged, they have no proof who was responsible for 9 / 11. Thus, in the videos shown
Ahmed al-Haznawi ,
Ahmed al-Ghamdi and Hamza al-Ghamdi involved in 2000 at the jihad in Chechnya. Wail al-Shehri also Waleed al-Shehri and spoke of
to go to Chechnya , disappeared before 2000 from the scene. Similarly, Abdul Aziz Alomari and Saeed al-Ghamdi, both were loud
9/11-Commission-Bericht (p.233) on the way to Chechnya. Thus, all had shown in the videos "9/11-Märtyrer" a connection to the jihad in Chechnya. And the recordings may have been made in this framework. But even if it was so, like the CBS documentary "60 Minutes II
- The Plot " is it that the "farewell videos" were recorded in March 2001 in Afghanistan in Kandahar, they can not be considered Proof of guilt used. Because according to the official version of itself and, according to the alleged confessions Bin Laden did this "muscle hijackers" still nothing from surgery 9 / 11. They were, according to official information until just before privy to the plans. As these videos should then constitute a proof for the 9/11-Täterschaft if the Confessing knew of the Tatabsichten not own?
After all seem the U.S. terror investigators with an interest in the spread (not only) to have this Al-Qaeda video - I wonder why that? Otherwise we would probably not only knock the IntelCenter times on the fingers, but also include the U.S. blog of the "Al-Qaeda media department as-Sahab. In
http://as-sahab.blog.com/ , Al Qaeda now recruiting eight years has been slack for the jihad to new recruits. For the U.S. terrorist hunters but obviously not sufficient enough time to make the page proof. Yes because we all know how incompetent they are. Once again, 'Spiegel Online':
After all, avoid the filmmakers to establish a conspiracy. There are also plenty sober observers say. The ex-jihadist Noman Benotman simple example with the statement that the rest of al-Qaida would hardly play there when the CIA Bin Laden alive artificially and videos produced in his name. Or the Berlin terrorism expert Guido Steinberg of the simple statement that Western intelligence agencies for lack of competence would be hard so surgery in the situation.
Whether one can call an ex-jihadist really as "sober observer"? Finally, he disputes with his sober observations not only his income, his sobriety, it is also likely over longer prison sentences for his involvement have kept the international jihad. And Guido Steinberg's "simple statement" that intelligence agencies were not for lack of competence to operations such as the counterfeiting of videos in a position, will probably be able to impress even the simple minds. It is the very clear lack of competence, if the statements and attends the rhetoric of Bin Laden's videos in 2004 and 2007 with previous, authentic recordings, compares the experts such as Bruce Lawrence leads them to assume a fake - irrespective of all technical aspects.
Musharbash Why is so hard with his colleagues from ZDF into court, even though the show but suggests - though not as clear as the BBC program - that bin Laden is alive and the alternative hypothesis is to include the realm of conspiracy theories ? Perhaps Mr Musharbash is afraid that the closed-media front against the 9/11- "conspiracy" is crumbling. Perhaps he suspects that one of such programs will ever secure, if the official Version in the future but can not be maintained. Then you can at least tell the ZDF, "we have given way to doubts and let the skeptics have their say." We should be common knowledge that the official version is false, then the significant damage to the credibility of the mainstream media have resulted. Especially for a medium such as the 'mirror', always in the forefront against "conspiracy theories". Maybe you do not want the ZDF to be the one who comes late and is punished by life. Or, as one says, not to bite the dogs.
